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#9 What happened in Maui? Presidential Run. Hollywood. Global Boiling.
Prepare yourself for an intriguing exploration into the web of conspiracy theories surrounding the Maui fires. We aren't just discussing wildfires; we navigate the shadowy corners of elite interests, Hollywood strikes, and the creeping menace of global boiling. We dare to peek behind the veil of conventional wisdom and stare down the grand, global clash between the US and China, pondering the role of non-traditional war tactics. Imagine for a moment, a world where laser weapons aren't a far-fetched sci-fi dream, but a chilling reality.
We then venture into the labyrinth of personal identity and societal beauty standards. We challenge you to question your roles and responsibilities in a world mesmerized by vanity and fashion. How can we each become our own 'Superman' in such a world? From there, we traverse the shifting sands of anticipated global shifts in 2024.
To cap off our journey, we delve into the boundless realms of wisdom, knowledge, and the concept of becoming a philosopher. From the radiant beauty of William Blake's poetry to the art of personal growth within the entertainment industry, we leave no stone unturned. We examine the rise of spokespersons, the capture of artists, and the implications of seeking guidance from influencers. As we wind down, we invite you to reflect on youth values, cultural shifts, and the fascinating dynamic between regression and progression. This is not just a conversation; it's an expedition into the heart of what makes us human. Don't miss out!
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Welcome to the Panopscon. 2 plus 2 equals 5. I am. He Wanders with Dunn. It is August 18th 2023. Today we talk about Maui and Alien Lasers. The presidential run Trump once again has been indicted. I think this is number four. We'll talk a little bit about Hollywood and the Hollywood Strike and, if time, global boiling. Dunn. Oh wait, yes, dunn, are you ready? Any words, dunn?
Speaker 2:I got my Chardonnay. I got my Chardonnay in the daytime. Gonna drink it all. Gonna go to bed. Gonna go to bed drunk at noon. That's my little song for you today.
Speaker 1:Alright, did you like it? I'm sure the audience will enjoy that.
Speaker 2:I'm dead drinking Motherfucker. Cuck Sucker you, big fucker.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you've heard that Maui's on fire or has been on fire, was on fire. There's tons of conspiracy theories on how and why. Would you like to comment on those?
Speaker 2:Well, I listened to Sam Tripoli's podcast called 10 for Hat and they were talking about some bullshit about Maui being like because there's land interest, right. It's about the conspiracy that they were talking about is about the whole native Hawaiians right, owning that part of the Maui, lahaina and whatnot, and that they, the elite, whoever they are and wanted to get them out. But you know they can't do that, like the eminent domain would be a bad look, right, if they tried to pull that shit. Instead, what they did is they lit the shit on fire and killed a bunch of people you know, made it to where you can't return and I guess the state is already claiming that land now. From what they were saying, I have no clue.
Speaker 2:I just thought that was kind of. You know, it fits the narrative that people like Sam Tripoli, who I actually I like his podcast because it's fantastical and everything and it's crazy. But it fits that whole narrative of what I think the crowd he's running in and the group of podcasts that he kind of aligns with the evil elite and the evil empire doing shit like this. But what's the? So can take me briefly through what happened because, like I've said, the past couple months in Scotland. I've been totally in the clouds in my own little world. I've been focusing more on like podcasts, on films, reading books of history, like I'm done. This is why my name is done. I'm kind of like over the bullshit right now. All the podcasts that like alternative podcasts that talk endlessly about trans, this trans, that COVID, this COVID, that Fauci and Trump, and but the bullshit. I'm done with. You know, I'm in a way they've won because I've given up. I've really kind of like turned away from it, at least now.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe that's a victory, Turning away from regime mess, mess messaging and any other messaging going on, because it's a battle for minds out there, and they do it through misinformation, misdirection, lies and all that kind of stuff. And I say they, I mean anyone and everyone who's out there trying to influence and persuade and so forth. I haven't much followed the news. I mean I'm on Twitter, on the Penopticon, at the Penopticon 84 handle. I'm not doing almost on a daily basis, but in the case of Maui, I saw a video, supposedly, of a laser beam from the sky that zapped down on to Maui to start this, this fire. Some claim it's aliens, some claims it's some sort of space super weapon from the regime who, again going back to what you were saying to light this place on fire so the state and eventually the elite and the regime can take over Maui, where it failed through the law and so forth. And so it goes. I mean it could be true, could be not true, it could be partially true. It's hard to tell For me.
Speaker 1:My instinct goes to this is part of a larger war going on between US regime and, potentially, china, and so to me this would be perhaps and when I say China, I mean the Chinese alliance, china, russia and so forth, and the news of damage being done to the Russians in Ukraine and the battle that's going on in Ukraine. But this war is much more global, and to pretend that Russia and China can't and won't retaliate to what's going on in Ukraine and other places on our own homeland I think would be naive. I think fentanyl distribution is one way of destroying America and I think potential kind of shady, weird, conspiratorial laser beams are another way of doing things. So I definitely think the US and China and others have the capacity to fight wars differently than we've had seen in the past, and that includes lasers. So I, if I had to pick one frame to choose, I think this is part of a larger war that's going on between the US and China, and then everything else that comes downstream from that is all propaganda and narrative.
Speaker 1:If I had to pick one, it could be that conspiracy you were talking about. It could be both. I mean, it could be fighting over Hawaii and stuff like that, I don't know. But if I had to choose one, that's, that's the perspective I come from.
Speaker 2:What's the mainstream media's narrative about the reason why the fire started? Because when when I initially heard, when I initially heard about Hawaii, maui being caught on fire, like this place is a fucking like wet tropical paradise, how's it going to light on fire? Yeah, it's not the desert of. California. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Exactly, and so global, I think the, I think the regime narrative on this to include the media is it's. It couches nicely into global boiling. So the W E F announces that there is no longer global warming, it's global boiling. And then all of a sudden we have all these large forest fires that are happening. And if you remember, earlier in the summer there was these forest fires in Canada that was blanketing New York and others with dust and ash and so forth. You have wildfires throughout Italy. Now you have wildfires and Maui. So that's why my take is for sure, it's not organic. And then you have the questions of simple, of geography and climate. Exactly, how do wildfires happen in places like Hawaii? The winds, it doesn't seem possible. So so I think it's, I think it's all, I think it's a coordinated effort. But why is the hard? Hard thing to kind of guess?
Speaker 2:Remember that weird shit that happened Hawaii a couple years ago where they were going to blow everything up or something? Remember it? They was like some dumb dumb hit the wrong button or something and they all thought they were under a nuclear threat or something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah the alarms are going off A lot of shit going on there yeah and it might be tied into that. Yeah, it's weird. It's just we're living in a weird time and the alien.
Speaker 2:Shit has got to stop. That is so my pussy is so dry. When people bring that up, it's just not interesting. Well, it's so fucking stupid.
Speaker 1:I think the regime is doing that to try to distract, potentially. And then of course, you have opportunists, who we've always liked aliens, and they jump on board and drive the conversation as well.
Speaker 1:But I think the root of it comes from the regime and because they're valid, this is right, they're saying yes apps or whatever they're calling it now this is they're doing committee meetings, they're fucking Senate, congressional meetings on this. Now You're bringing out experts. What about inflation? Let's do that. Let's talk about the economy and, you know, debt and all that kind of stuff. No, they want to talk about aliens. So I think that's fallen flat for the most part.
Speaker 1:I can't afford to live in California anymore, I know, I don't see how you all do it.
Speaker 2:My friends, my nurse friends, are struggling and we make a lot of money. Yeah, we can't.
Speaker 1:We're living in a check.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think this, this is not a conspiracy. I mean the W E, f and others have stated what their mission is you will own nothing and you will like it. And there's different forms of tyranny, you know. Come in different forms, it doesn't mean they're going to send you all the prisons or what have you. They make it impossible. They rig the economy and other things, inflation being one of them, to almost force you to have to like rent for the rest of your life, unless you have the money to buy things cash. But even doing that, even forcing you to buy things in cash, basically takes money away from you as well. So I mean the game is rigged. This is house. Again, the regime controls. This is the regime system. So in California, I don't know how you guys afford Arizona same thing, europe, scotland, england. So this forces you to have to maybe move in with other people, maybe move back in with your family and do. It could be.
Speaker 1:I guess, if you look at, the silver lining is if you really want to go back to the way things were and you believe in those values and lifestyles that you lived with your family forever, including your extended family.
Speaker 1:Because this idea, this American dream from post 1945 of us leaving our family and going off and living in a completely different state or different part of the country than your nuclear family and your extent is relatively new Is you lived and died with your nuclear and extended family and I think that was very, a very good opportunity for the regime to kind of atomize us, and you know we talk about divide and conquer. Well, that applies to the family too Definitely, and so the isolation could be a good thing, isolation, the fragment. I mean you're out there by yourself, yeah, and so they're. I don't know if they're intentionally trying to drive us back to that, but it might be an opportunity or was a unforeseen result of that is, at the very least, you all like let's say you mentioned your fellow nurses for, let's say, you're all single, three or four you might have to move in to a house or an apartment or a condo, much like you're doing now, and have everyone contribute to the rent, where in the past you could live there by yourself.
Speaker 2:Bitch. I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to pimp out my nieces on only fans. I'm not trying to live with no nurses. I hate these motherfuckers.
Speaker 1:Well, move in with some of your patients then.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to fucking get an old one and maybe who's a little gay, a little fancy on his feet, maybe got a little fortune on it, yeah.
Speaker 1:But you know, not buying as much groceries and I mean you're not going to get the value of the dollars is not what it used to be. Obviously, that's what inflation is about.
Speaker 2:No, and we spend as a public generally just way too much. We go out to eat too much. We, we I'll speak for myself. I spend so much wasted money on bullshit. Like you know, they have now apps and stuff that help you figure out these hidden recurring fees that you've applied for and put on your credit card or debit card throughout your 10 years.
Speaker 2:Just random ones, like for a TV show or whatever. I mean we, I have a lot of those and I have to always go through them, like every six months and I have to go. I got to get rid of this one, this one, this one, okay, but then they keep accumulating. Somehow my cable bills gone up, it's out of control, my electricity, I mean. I've got nurses, friends who are leaving their AC off, now back. That's a fucking first world problem, an elite problem, and you know, I think what it comes down to is we've, we're, I've spoiled myself. And now I just got a really back and go back to the days when you'd never go out to eat. You remember back our, our boomer generation? Their parents and stuff would never go out to eat. Dad said he never went out to eat. He had pork chops and potatoes. Every night Doc would point a rifle at his head and they go to bed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean we. It goes back to what we were talking about in the other podcast. The Panopticon is, the bubble has been popped and we have in a kind of a steer, more steer environment than we have in the past, and that's a that's a tough pill to swallow because there's been expectations, or like this American dream that's been sold to us, that as life goes on, you get a job, you graduate, you go to college, you graduate, get married, go to a job, and then you work your way from the bottom of the top and by the time you're in your 40s, 50s, you have a house, a family and so forth and you're in the and I'm speaking strictly, strictly speaking from an economic perspective, financials then. But when that, and then you know the life is hunky dory afterwards.
Speaker 1:But that's not the case now. You're finding a lot more people living with their parents longer or moving back in with their parents. You know, I mean, hadn't the parents afforded anymore? I don't see how, you know, even in older communities that are designed for older people, there are people working into their 70s, 80s, at the grocery store, at the post office, at Safeway, you name it. It's hitting everyone. And so what is to be done was a question we talked about in the Penopticon. I mean, there's a lot you can do, but I think it begins with expectation management, which means lower your expectations and then change your habits.
Speaker 2:But when, as you were describing, this isn't a real depression, when's that real depression coming?
Speaker 1:Some say sooner than rather than later.
Speaker 2:You know, because we're bitching like little bitches, we're in it. You know the greatest generation.
Speaker 1:Well, some say this is the beginning of it, you know, like it only gets worse from here. So we're kind of slipping into the abyss. We're not at the bottom yet we're getting there. What does the bottom look like? I have no clue. Starvation, you know. You know, worst case scenario is, you know, the dollar goes to shit, it's worthless and therefore we can't afford to produce anything and consume, nor consume anything. So a lot of people are talking about what is it be done is like start gardening and growing your own food. Get out into the country as best as you can. Well, that was my second point is it's a lifestyle change. You're going to have to maybe go rent out one of those garden like community gardens, plots or what have you. Where?
Speaker 2:are you going to get land you know like land that?
Speaker 2:grows vegetables oh these fucking black rocks and all these elite, fucking Western power brokers, china, all that buying up all the land, keeping the land prices high there. No one can afford it. Yeah yeah, you know it's a fucking corrupt ass system. We're just, but we've got it good With all that. And you know, comparatively, we've got it pretty good. We've, you know, relatively safe.
Speaker 2:Sometimes I think we're just a bunch of bitches complaining and not really seeing how good we have it. We don't want to take responsibility. I'll speak for myself. I'm not grown up enough, even though I'm almost retired Retired Not really, but you know I'm almost middle age. I am middle age. To my light of your life, I'm an old twink who's pickled himself with wine and liquor and you know I'm dying. No, I'm pretty much not. I'm still a man, child, unable to be disciplined enough to make shit happen. You know, like save money, stop spending, do something. You know not respond. I heard someone say this the other day. A lot of people live their life reacting. You know why? Can't I be someone who acts, determines, you know, try to stay ahead of the game? And that's just not me, for whatever reason. I think a lot of people are like that.
Speaker 1:Is it not you, or is it something within you that you haven't tapped into yet Could be?
Speaker 2:Could be.
Speaker 1:Is this where. I cry. You not yet.
Speaker 1:It's kind of the Nietzsche's Superman or overman, whatever you want to call it. The Greeks talked about this, this, this ideal man, both physically, aesthetic, wise, and then in reality, where you strive to become a semi God. But what does that look like in modern society, where you're basically your own person, regardless of the culture around you, and you're this creative, your, your your own creator. But that can be many things. That means diving in. It could could mean diving into the criminal life. Let's just say as an example.
Speaker 1:It's not. It's not all like right, right. It's not all like becoming a priest or becoming a fucking going out and giving food out to starving Africans. It's living in the dark world too.
Speaker 1:You mean a criminal in sense of like not conforming to Exactly Not conforming if the, and acknowledging that laws and boundaries exist, but walking over those boundaries as long as it is productive for you. Trug dealers, let's say, and this is, this is a. I don't believe in this necessarily, but when you walk it through, what Superman is? Superman is dark, is good and bad. Because if, if you're just going to constrain yourself to the good, whatever that is and however it's defined and by whomever and Nietzsche talks about this in genealogy of morals Well then you're not a Superman, You're a man who succeeded or is doing well within the boundaries.
Speaker 1:This is again Nietzsche talks about. You are creating your own laws. So in theory, it sounds wonderful, but in reality, what does that mean? Yeah, so when you talk about, stop reacting, let me create my own reality and my own life and be ahead of the wave. Well, that means you have to live in both sides of the world, Because don't think for a minute the regime and others are living on both sides of the world. We think, we acknowledge that they live in the dark and in the light. They define the dark and the light for us, as Nietzsche was talking about, and and being your own character, being your own person as well, having a haircut that you like, but you don't give a shit that everyone else doesn't like. Well, glasses that I was just about to say, like I'm, I'm, I'm not.
Speaker 2:I'm not, I'm not. I'm really stunned by people's reactions to my hair. They want you to be what they want you to be Like. It's ugly, right, okay, it doesn't fit, it's not fashionable, it's not this or that. It's causing disruptions that are petty and that are irritating. The more they they say something about it, the more I'm like resolved. It's becoming like a battle and it's just annoying as fuck and it's surprising and I just never thought it would be like that. But that's how people are. They're so attuned to vanity that I can't get over it. It's causing like a total mind blow and at the heart of it it's petty. They don't give a shit. They really don't. I give a shit, and so their little comments are making me think. Right To me, why am I taking it personal? First of all, and secondly, like what value? Maybe there's, I don't know. It's causing like a mind blow in a good way.
Speaker 2:I think that's a good thing they want me to be, like a version of what they want me to be, which is like maybe it is, it looks better on me, that's the thing People are so fucking obsessed with fashion. Sexiness appeal Like what is that? About. You know. I, on the one hand, I understand it but on the other hand I'm like it's so shallow, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it could be, but aesthetics are important, beauty is important. I think each one individuals have different standards of beauty or different views of beauty. So, andrea, or you know, our family member may have one sense of beauty.
Speaker 2:Are you there? Are you there yeah? And then it's everybody, though, it's not just her. Can you hear me? Yeah, okay, so true.
Speaker 1:So I think the key to being a true Superman is not letting that affect you negatively and again, this is easier said than done. I'm not saying I adhere, I'm able to do it as well Is not let them get to emotionally riled up about it. I think the key is, if you're the rule maker yourself, you try to bring them into your world Somehow, some way. I don't know how to do that. I'm not claiming to be a Superman, but I think how they control your emotions, knowingly or unknowingly, is part of kind of the slave morality type, or at least the weak. And are a lot of these people who comment on your hair women?
Speaker 2:No, it's mainly the women, it's mainly what's a mix, really, what's it's actually? It's my own family members, it's men, and this one particular man has like balding issues. So the way I kind of get a revenge in a way, is to say you're a balding motherfucker, you jealous of my beautiful locks? You know, try to fucking paint on that hair. I see it. I see that.
Speaker 1:Do you tell them that?
Speaker 2:No, because I don't want to get dirty. You know what I mean. Yeah because it's petty at the end of the day and I would feel petty if I engaged in that. But you know, in my own mind I say you a monk bitch, that ball that's had hurts you, so fuck you. Yeah, I think the best way is just to live.
Speaker 1:Live according to your principles, or at least with with aesthetics. But still is part of me is still thinking you know professionalism, you got to be clean cut.
Speaker 2:You got to be this and that People like me I'm not a professionalist, I'm not a professionalist, I'm not a professionalist and that the people like that. They don't like hippie, dirty, looking raggedy. It was so trained in this corporate fucking culture to be a certain way and but without knowing it, without knowing it.
Speaker 1:But perhaps the there is a standard of. On the other side of the coin, then is maybe there is a standard form of beauty and ideal sense of beauty, but that changes aesthetics with culture, both in hair. It changes with culture and time and age and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:It's fashion and location, it's trends, it's. It's. It's also in relationship to what the culture is like on the greater scale. Like you know what its values are. I mean Muslim women cover their fucking hair up, that cover their whole body. It's like it just depends on the nature of the.
Speaker 1:I mean, it depends on a lot, but you know yeah, right, but isn't like if you look at a painting, let's say no matter where it was painted, what culture, who painted it and what time you look at it for the first time, instantly you know it's beautiful.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think that can't that apply to fashion in physical aesthetics as well?
Speaker 2:I mean I think, for example, some, some person, like, could look at a painting and think that's ugly. Another, a modern painting, let's say, another person could say that's fucking sublime world, shattering gorgeous, right. I mean I get. What you're pointing to is like there's something innate in human beings that trigger, there's beauty, that triggers something in our beast brain. That's not what innate, and you know there's something to that. Yeah, I agree with you on that. There is something there. But I mean, look, yeah, but it also can be. Yeah, no, I don't know. I have no more statement on that. I think I think you're definitely right on that.
Speaker 1:So we were talking about. What were we talking about before we got into? My hair, your hair.
Speaker 2:Well, we're going to what's on the horizon. We were talking about the Maui fire. Let's just say there's a bunch of hubbub about it. Obviously people died. It's horrible. It could be totally just natural something, yeah, whether saying someone, they're probably going to blame it on somebody. But alien lasers, who knows what is going to happen? What is going to happen with this upcoming election year? It's quiet, call them before the storm At least for me, it is Well, it's quiet.
Speaker 1:So this is where the, I think regime has done well is a former president has been indicted for like the four times. So this is historical, yet quiet, and I think they've we've become immune to it much, like you were talking about with just watching the news. At this point, I think the regime has set it up so nicely since 2016 that when and if he goes to jail, it's not going to be a big deal. It's like oh, this was the natural conclusion to this story we've been a part of for the last six or seven years. So they're doing it from a kind of gradually and then suddenly approach drip, drip, drip, and then we're so worn out or tired of it, we don't. Our motions are gone. With respect, although this is a historical event in American history, we just shrug at it. And so 2024 is, as I've claimed before here on this podcast, the other podcast and in private, I believe is potentially going to be the year zero or the last year of the old world is.
Speaker 1:There's so many things happening. You have a presidential, presidential elections in the United States. I believe in Russia, I believe in Mexico. If you believe in numerology and symbolism. Next year is the year of the dragon. So we have the friction and war in Ukraine, but we also have friction between the US and China. We have a splitting apart, a coalescing of a splitting apart of the unipolar world and the coalition of coalescing of a counter bipolar world of the bricks, basically the Chinese, russians, indians, saudis and others versus the West. That's just how it appears.
Speaker 1:And you have the question of Taiwan. So is it going to be an external event? And my claim is there's going to be a series of existential crises leading up to the US election that prevents or precludes an election, a US election, and I think we're going to get this, this new Caesar or King or what have you that we've been talking about. I don't know if it's going to be a result of external events like war with China, or if China is already within our regime and owns a significant portion of our elite, where this is the time where we've become like, at least from our level we recognize then we're just a satrap, a vassal state of China and our elite bow down to China.
Speaker 1:I haven't figured that part out. Is it an external or a combination of two versus what? Or is it the environment versus mankind? You know, with global boiling and so forth, is it extra national organizations like the WF and UN and others versus countries? Is are we transitioning from nation state to these mega lift states that are like like Eurasia and other large parts of the world, two or three of them versus each other? You know things like that. I haven't figured out, but I think we're going to find out this economy where we're at in America. I think it's part of this plan global boiling.
Speaker 1:And so the next year is the year I'm ready to get this thing over with. I want 2024 to happen so bad because I've based a lot of significant life decisions on 2024.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you made yourself a expat.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm wondering the world. For sure he wanders, trying to find a safe place, and Scotland safe.
Speaker 2:I mean it's got, if you like, to wear winter ish clothes and like love rain, love clouds, love sort of wind and hills and mountains and green and water. It's got so much fucking water everywhere and big dicks I mean it's. It's like uncut. You know Scotland is uncut land. You know what I mean. It's beautiful. I want to live there if I could. You're one of your daughters wants to live that. She's like pining about it, love it. It's beautiful, but expensive is.
Speaker 1:Scotland has. Scotland has the beauty of the tropics, without the oppressive heat and humidity and bugs.
Speaker 2:You're right. Yeah, it does. Yeah, yeah, it's got islands, water everywhere. Oh, not reality, though. Did to try to live? There would be a bureaucratic Disaster. It would be a nightmare if you don't have a money. Right, be very hard. Right, make a living.
Speaker 1:Well, let me ask you this what's your thoughts on 2024?
Speaker 2:I've been very narcissistic lately, very With drawn in my own head the. I've been Strictened with a sense of mortality lately. That's driving me bonkers and, you know, frightening me in many ways and I and so I have not really given a care for what's going on in a long time two months or so now what I think is gonna happen. So I haven't thought about it. I am probably I'm escaping from it right, because maybe there's something unconsciously there, like a little nugget of information there that I Need to pay attention to, that, that that I'm dreading, like maybe there's a dread there of the oncoming year that I'm not dealing with. I have no clue, I really don't, and because I'm not paying attention to the stories From whatever outlet there are or there is, I Don't have a map to it and so it's an election year. What happened? The election last election year, coven and BLM and the race riots and all that shit.
Speaker 2:The wars in Ukraine scare me. The the war in Ukraine? I Just don't know. I have no clue. I, I think I'm, I think I'm steering away from it, I'm bearing my head in the sand. Maybe you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think, I think I've. I'm rushed, I'm just the opposite rush head, head first into it. All which also can be dangerous is Because then you start believing everything that you see and read and you have to step back and step out of and you're busy. The Twitter verse.
Speaker 2:You're busy trying to parse the truth from there. The the bullshit, and I Mean that's a you're like in quicksand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and in none of it's good. No, none of the outcomes or the data points and information I use End up in a good place. So I try to, I try to step out of it and I try to. I still I'm still. It had head first into it but I like right now I'm reading the Odyssey as An example and I'm trying to go back to some of the classics To help help me understand struggle, life, death, superhero, semi god, like characters like Odyssey or Odysseus and others. I haven't got to the Iliad yet, so I'm going backwards. I think you're supposed to read Iliad first, then Odysseus, but not necessarily or the Odyssey. I'm reading the Odyssey and then I'll read Iliad next. But like Greek mythology, I'm trying to seep into that a bit and of course need deep into Nietzsche a little bit, but certainly Greek mythology for sure, just to Amire, their their communication and their perception and their development of their gods and semi gods and how they deal with Tragedy and and so forth.
Speaker 2:That definitely helps how far you can look at it from, how far are you into the Odyssey?
Speaker 1:I'm in about to start chapter 13, which is Odysseus lands in Ithaca. So I just finished book 12, the book of the dead, which was an interesting one and timely one, and so you're trying to. You're trying to parse. Instead of trying to parse Twitterverse, I'm trying to parse what Homer was trying to relay and say in in the book of the dead. What does that really mean? Because I know there's a lot of symbolism and so forth, but you know, try to dive deep into that. What does this mean for me from a psychological perspective?
Speaker 2:and what are you even? What are you finding?
Speaker 1:I don't know yet I have. I have to let it Sink in. I mean, with this is you know it's there's so much to it. I want to wait till I'm done with it to kind of it seems like for me that each chapter is almost a lesson in itself and there's something to be learned. Basically, cycle there's, there's a. Obviously the overall theme is tragedy, but each chapter has a challenge and obstacle to get to his ultimate goal, which is to return home. But there's periods of pleasantness and in hedonism or the drinking and having a great time, but then there's always some sort of challenge that him and his men have to overcome.
Speaker 2:And you're like, see that you're really, you're really focusing on something. That's there because James Joyce, the Irish writer Back in the modernist, wrote a book called Ulysses, which is a modernist take on the Odyssey Narrative, which is what he does, is like, because Odyssey is this hero, right, oh, odysseus is this big hero. He's on this big grand adventure. That's romantic and all of that Faced with many challenges. When you say cyclical, that's exactly right it's. You go through cycles. He goes through cycles, right, each little journey is a cycle and what James Joyce does is he brings it to a sort of middle-class level, which is how do we live our days in? With that same thing in mind, like, how is our day a cycle of that?
Speaker 2:What challenges does the main character in his book, who's this lowly character, middle-class person? What challenges does he have to face throughout his days To be to what? What's the end result? Like, what are we all searching for? What's he searching for? What's a odd Odysseus searching for? You said to reach home. But what is that really for us now, in the modern world? What are we all reaching? What are we all trying to get to, you know? And so James Joyce really brings it to that realistic contemporary stage which you can relate to and and it's really Moving and fascinating. So I'm glad I really like how you pick up on that cycle, that cyclical Rise and fall challenges, you know waves of experience, that's really really cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'm. That's what I'm reading now. I'm reading Aristotle's Nio comedian ethics, or whatever it's pronounced, which is dude your kind of dry you're diving into some tough shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I want to. Because Aristotle, plato, socrates, even Homer, have always been some sort of like just a character in my mind, like, oh yeah, the, these guys are great writers and philosophers. I really want to try to Understand them now, you know. And and because we are in a privileged state where we have access to someone like Aristotle, where for many hundreds of years he was, he disappeared For many, you know, his writings disappeared, were hidden for various reasons.
Speaker 1:And To have access to genius, although you may not agree to it all, is very, it's very privileged for us as like plebs, to be able to read it. So I really, really, you know, we always asked, man, I wish we had some idol or mentor, you know, to help us, mentor our Our way through this, navigate us through this world. Well, if you don't have a real like a one-less living, we'll go back To people that you trust or that you know you've told the trust, like Aristotle, homer and others, and even some, you know, still unknown, like on power I read it was. I've never heard of that before. So history and the geniuses of History can be your mentors as well. Pardon me, have to navigate things.
Speaker 2:Part of me thinks accessibility right equals impotency in the modern, in our contemporary world. Accessibility to all this knowledge why is it accessible? You know, if it was so powerful it would be Inaccessible or challenging to get to. How do you take that?
Speaker 1:Well, this then gets into kind of the esoteric, mystic, occult like stuff. Like I'm not sure when people talk about the occult, if they Talk about it as a good thing or a bad thing, or they're good and evil or things like that. Like there's a secret knowledge or hidden knowledge or knowledge that that most people don't have access to. That could be good, could be evil. A lot of us consider, a lot of people consider the cult like behavior evil. But is it? Is that actually? Is that actually the true wisdom? And what we're been reading like in the Bible and other things is, is the deceptive wisdom, you know, and we'll get into that, that hand on down the road to occultism and so forth. I Think, or could it be both. Is there some secret knowledge Satanic? Is some secret knowledge Godlike, you know, or you know positive?
Speaker 2:well, I think accessibility, physical accessibility is one thing which we have. You can buy any book you want. You can go to the library if you want and read anything for free. Even the difficult accessibility comes when you actually have to read the thing and Understand it, which I would say most people are not doing right now. You know the elite students are doing, you Know, taking the time to scrutinize, understand all this literature, all these philosophers, and getting something from it, and moving on.
Speaker 2:But for the majority of the who I think we speak for is the mainstream middle America we're not accessing it. We have access to it but we're not accessing it because it's too challenging, it's too difficult, it's seemingly meaningless. It maybe it is meaningless in the way that the people who've tried to garnish or garner Valuable shit from this these works of art, these philosophers, these works of thought they figured it out already years ago and they've, they've developed things based on that Years ago and we're left in the wake and try and do Compete with that and we're just possibly May. I'm, I'm fatalistic is what I'm just realizing. I'm negative in that sense because, yeah, I don't know where do you take that? I?
Speaker 1:Mean I could. I see like too much knowledge can be parallelizing, at least in thought and in action, and so there's a, there's a positive to it and there's a negative to it.
Speaker 2:No, but I'm talking about tons. I'm talking about the accessibility of it, like why is it so physically accessible but no one's access accessing it?
Speaker 1:in the mainstream. Well, I mean again I think. Well, I mean, it goes into what I was saying is there's so much information there? One and two it goes to what you were saying as well is People aren't prioritizing. You know, ancient wisdom for sure I mean, whether you think it's right, wrong or deliberately put in front of us, like Homer, for example, or the, the three wise men of philosophy, aristotle, socrates and Plato is you know people aren't prioritizing ancient wisdom. They're prioritizing. It seems tick-tock, very superficial, even Twitter, instant instantaneous, that nature instantaneous and fickle gratification.
Speaker 1:So I mean, I guess it's the same answer to why don't people Answer to why don't people eat healthy? You know, why do they like junk food? Yeah, because it tastes good at the moment and it fills what you think. It fills your needs hunger, initial needs but it's not good for your body long-term and Maybe that's that's why it's like it's hard. I think it. But it also requires a, a Relationship.
Speaker 1:The wisdom is out there, but it also requires those who are seeking wisdom, and most people don't seek wisdom. Maybe the rigors of wisdom. Wisdom doesn't seem to come easily. It's Maybe and this is part this is me just fucking thinking out loud here Maybe this is part of the message in Odysseus and he sees his journey. The Odyssey is, you know, for some reason it doesn't seem wisdom comes easily. You have to go through a journey of Ups and downs and so forth to find the truth and maybe it, the cut, represents the truth or wisdom. Maybe it's not the truth but some sort of wisdom and nugget. Why isn't wisdom present? Why doesn't wisdom present itself easily? I don't know. Maybe it does and I just you know. Again, it's for certain eyes only. Maybe that's it. Maybe wisdom's hierarchical as well, only for a certain chosen few.
Speaker 2:So maybe there's why I was. I was thinking maybe, maybe a lot of this wisdom doesn't apply to the modern world. I'm just throwing this out there. Yeah, like my nieces, for example, they're gaining wisdom right through just living, and these books and whatnot don't necessarily apply to they're learning, they're getting wisdom through other means. To what matters now, all these archaic Well, I can't say archaic, but let's just say Old wisdom. It's irrelevant. But and I'm immediately discounting what I'm saying because, like Odyssey, the Odyssey, homer's Odyssey, james Joyce is showing us in the you in Ulysses, that it is relevant to our modern day, you know, to contemporary lives. It is relevant, it does mean something and it can contribute to your understanding of your world. But does it benefit you immediately? That's the thing is not necessarily. It could, I don't know. A lot of times the stuff I read later in life It'll come up and resurface almost, and and make sense and give me perspective and whatnot, you know, and Help me make things.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think the, I think wisdom, by its definition is, is the ability to recognize actions and most probable consequences. And those trends are the same whether it was during Homer's time or this time or modern time, and I think that's the nature of wisdom, or the truth, or what have you, is these archetypes, these certain things that are the same no matter what, through time, space, location, remain true no matter what now, how it's? Just Articulated to people it's different, like so that you know the Odyssey. It was originally a poem, verbal, verbal poem. You know, mm-hmm, they valued well, a lot of them probably couldn't write, but they also valued oral tradition. And then, as I was doing my research of the Odyssey, lot of them claim that this was live.
Speaker 1:It was taken from the story of Gilgamesh, which was back in Samarian days, even pre, long time before, and so those lessons remain true For thousand, for all of time, or for at least all of humanity, much like we were talking about in the Panops Khan, where I think the nature of violence starts with man and always has been well same with, presumably, wisdom in the virtues. And Again, is wisdom a solely Benevolent knowledge? Can wisdom be how to lead and Run a nation which requires deceit, which Odysseus does many times in the Odyssey Like. Is it Machiavellian? Is Machiavelli reaching a reading? Machiavelli, the prince? Is that a piece of wisdom, although it's many times construed as evil?
Speaker 1:You know it's not necessarily how do I become a better person? That might be. How do I become a more powerful person?
Speaker 2:Well, that person is Is. How do I say? That's not an absolute. You know what I mean. Better is an adjective, that what is better. Yet you would have to define better. Well, that depends on a whole sort. It's variable, right.
Speaker 1:Well, same as good, like how do you define a good?
Speaker 2:right right.
Speaker 1:It'll start a lot, since I'm reading it right now. His ethics is he. He states that a good person is one that Flores is and makes other others flourish as well. Well then, what is florist mean? You know? Well, it's the same thing is get better. Well, what does get better mean? And then he, he shows to extremes like sloth versus physical fitness, that there's extremes on both sides and somewhere in the middle he offers the middle road, the balance of All things. On how you act, you know, drinking is okay, but not alcoholism and all that greed. It's okay to be, want to become rich, but Greed can very easily, the line can go to greed very easily. You know things like that, like how do you define a good person? And and therefore, and how do you see wisdom?
Speaker 2:You know yeah, like there you knowledge out there that that makes you do destructive, horrible things. Right, it's wisdom, its knowledge, but it has a Destructive power to it. Well, I was thinking when you were talking about you know, when you mentioned that there's William Blake. Do you know who that is? He's an author, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's kind of a contemporary of these guys, right here, samuel Johnson, edmund Burke, all these sort of I would say, almost regimeists in a sense, or apologists for the regime at the time, 17, late 1700s England, and he was living around that time. He was a romantic, so he, he was also very subversive In the sense that he was like he. He wanted revolution, he wanted a sense of like challenge these people. He was a mystic, so he's he's not a rationalist like these other guys who are all part of the Enlightenment. He was almost a counter to that and so he made the decision to make a revolution and he was like. He was like a counter to the other guys who are all part of the Enlightenment. He was almost a counter to that. So he brought up all that Nietzsche and stuff before even Nietzsche was there.
Speaker 2:And so he, he, he's that type of wisdom that someone might say okay, because he's corrosive or he's corruptive or you know, he could lead you into dark paths. He, for example, I don't have you heard of the the tiger, the poem the tiger. No, essentially you could read it as being some sort of I guess Almost a sublime version of what the tiger is in reality. You know, a tiger it's this Fascinating creature that's powerful and this and that, and A killer and beautiful at the same time. But on the sub level, he's saying Some people interpret it as being like who are you know it's the tiger.
Speaker 2:Is you you? You have that potential in you to Battle this force that's around you, which is, I would say, power, or, you know, an empire or some force that's pressing upon you to do what you don't want to do, subjecting you to whatever will is there. You have a will within you and and there's a daring there that you need to take If you're that person. So I don't know. I just made me think of Blake and there's these authors out there that are kind of subversive and I really like that. But again back to what we're talking about is no one cares, no one's reading this. Maybe they're. There are people reading it, but they're part of the elite, I would say a lot of them but why, why?
Speaker 1:Why? Like assuming you're on the road to wisdom, let's say and you do care, and you do want to find out, you do want to gain knowledge to help you understand your current state. Or you want to become that tiger, you want to become that Superman. Why should you care that other people don't Say that?
Speaker 2:again.
Speaker 1:So you're mentioned like but people, people don't Strive for this knowledge. They have access, but they don't accept access it. Access it. Why does that matter to you that others are like foolish, that they're gonna be, they're gonna listen to the sirens if you will and not, you know, listen to the, the gods of wisdom or what have you. Why does that matter that they don't to you?
Speaker 2:Because I, I think there's value in it and I think it well, and this might be false, but I think if they did it well, baby, because I want to do it and I want them to do it with me, you know, like a communal thing. But it could also say I hold value in it and they don't, I Want them to. You know what I mean, that's why, why do I want them to? Yeah, maybe it's cuz I value it, so I want them to value what I value.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like if you watch a good movie, you want people to see that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wish they would take joy and and love, basically, and Enthusiasm in what I like, but I don't see that nowhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and presumably if ever, if everyone or a large Portion of people did care about it, we would be in a better World or better culture. Whatever. Better means again, yeah, that's kind of the premise or the presumption assumption.
Speaker 2:That might not be true, but possibly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, these questions. I mean what happened like? So I've been Debating on whether or not I should call myself a philosopher. Okay, and it seems Comical at first. Right, I don't. I haven't written anything, any philosophical texts or anything like that. I haven't sat around a nice pretty grove with birds and in Sat around with people discussing you know, the wisdoms and pearls of the world, but why not?
Speaker 1:So we're going back to what we talked about be your own person. Why can't I call myself the philosopher? And they really stem from when I was trying to think of Various aliases and shit I want to call myself, you know, and the philosopher came up, or some weird title with the philosopher, and then I, you know, battling in my head Well, you're not a philosopher. Then what is a philosopher? So I start going down this rabbit hole to find really, from how I take it, is your seeker of knowledge, your seeker of wisdom? More importantly and you'd have to ask questions after questions and questions of questions you break down Language, you know, like we were kind of doing here what does good mean? Well, if you define good, you have to define bad, right, and in all these kind of things, and so I Think in many sense in. In a large sense, you have to, in what it goes into what we were talking about. You have to choose to be a philosopher, and how I define philosopher to gain that wisdom as Philosopher is a Striving for wisdom. Well, you have to want to strive, first foremost, to gain wisdom. If you're not looking for wisdom, wisdom could be right in front of you, like you're Reluding to with all this knowledge here, but if you're not looking for it, then you're gonna go right by it and and so.
Speaker 1:So in many ways, I'm starting to consider myself as a, as a philosopher, maybe just in my own head. I don't claim it on any public forum or anything like that, but perhaps one day I certainly it will start with one of you know, one of my aliases or what have you. Because you have to, will it in many ways for it to become that way. You have to even though you don't feel like you're a philosopher in your own head. You've got to make it your reality. You've heard that in many ways. Yeah, so I'll start calling myself a philosopher. I call myself a writer. I definitely call myself a writer. You just make it happen, yeah, in many ways, naturally, just writing or thinking about things.
Speaker 2:I mean what?
Speaker 1:we're doing right here I would define as a form of philosophy. We're philosophizing, or what have you. And so if in the past and I think this is the close, closer steps to getting to this Superman or this tiger that you were talking about with Burke is, even if you're not there yet, you are like okay, you, you become, you're becoming it, and the fact that, although you've not become it, you're becoming it, you can still call yourself that it, whatever that is, tiger, superman, you know your own person, you know individual person, whatever Free spirit, you know there's all kinds of titles for it, and so you know so to, if you want this knowledge, you have to want it and and you have to strive and you have to go on this journey, this wandering, and if you don't, then I don't. I Don't feel any inclination for you, for others to want it. You know, I mean, I do like when I see her, like read a good book, I recommend it.
Speaker 1:Or, back of the day, if I watched a movie, hey, you got to see this movie. Or the show I really like this show, you should watch it. And if they don't like it, there is a little pang of Disappointment just for that second, but then I move on. You know, you know. I mean yeah, yeah, you know, and it depends on what you're doing it for. If you're striving for wisdom for yourself, that's, that's one thing. But if you're striving wisdom to make the world, or at least your Community, a better place, whatever way you define it then you do need people to kind of, you do need to influence and persuade people to see your wisdom or the how you see wisdom. No doubt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. No, I get that definitely. I just find it this kind of Not disappointing and not defeating. But there's something there that no one, the fact that the majority of people don't value it, that's upsetting, you know. At the very least I Don't really think about that that much. I mean, sometimes I do, but it doesn't weigh down on me, you know, or put pressure or burden me or any. Anyway, it's just one of those kind of facts of life thing I I think about every now and then I'm like god, no one cares.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I Think definitely is. It's how you see it. And again, another thing is like I love, I would like to go. I think I've been to the orks show once or twice, and this was back in in where we used to live, and you know, no one around me Want, has any desire, to go to the orks show, but I want them to go at least once because it's it's it affects all five of your senses, or at least a lot of your sense more than just hearing the vibrations.
Speaker 1:And you probably feel the same way with With musical, broadway stuff. The music, yeah, it's an experience. It's not listening to music like you did in high school, and Crappy music that you see on MTV and shit, or here on the radio. Even music that you like you hear on the radio, you go it to it live. It's a. It's in the experience that attacks your senses in more ways than just listening to it. It's emotional experience and that's something you, I wish, like my family, would want to do and appreciate, but they don't. So I just kind of like okay, well, you're missing out, but I'm sure there's things that they like to do that I don't like to do, and I'm sure I'm missing out on Whatever experience that they why age definitely plays a part in part of that.
Speaker 2:I think I mean there's your outliers, right, young people who are Gifted or whatever, just attuned to it or have developed in some way Inclination to be able to appreciate it. But, like as a whole, age plays a huge, that huge thing because and I've noticed this living with your dad does and it makes me reflect on how I was when I was at age. It's like you're just a different Person. Things Value. You value certain things at the time when you're that age and they mean a lot right at the time, and your experiences. You want to experience things and Freedom and all of that. It's just when you get a certain age, other Things come up.
Speaker 2:Other Issues or other values start popping up mortality, things like that, you know. So that's. It's very interesting, it's very Kind of mind-boggling to To. I'm glad I Get to experience people who are younger living, and that sounds really cheesy in a way, but it's. It's a good way for me to reflect on not only myself but on life in general. At the kind of stages in life. It's it because I under. I totally get why someone who's 20 Doesn't have a sense of mortality, doesn't care about certain things like I understand that. It's a good reminder also to me that that that doesn't mean they're stupid or doesn't mean they're this way or that it's just how life is, you know, and how people are, but I also it makes you appreciate young people in many different ways, because they're also some of the most daring people, the most risk takers for whatever reason, you know, and that's. There's a value there as well.
Speaker 1:Yep, certainly. But yeah, going back to the current events and, and you know, we kind of we went down into how do we deal with these current events. We talked about Maui and the alien lasers and, in other things, the presidential run 2024. I think I think everyone recognizes what, whether it's consciously or subconsciously, that things are certainly weird and different and very odd Compared to what they were prior to 2016. Instantly, what do you go ahead, even?
Speaker 2:the regime has stated that.
Speaker 1:They're charting a new course, and so you ask yourself or where are the gods in this? Is this destiny or is this a likely thing to happen, because the gods are not intervening or they will intervene? It's, or is there gods or what have you? Is this true? That the you know WF wants this new world or the great recent? You will own nothing and like it. Are they communicating to us or prepping us for a steer, an austere future or a different future? Why they're doing this is a question you know.
Speaker 1:So, again, without any leads, you know, you know. You know, again, without any leader or strong person within your as you're, you know, within your leadership, or perhaps even within your family. You have to kind of go back One I would go back in time. Others look at Influencers, youtube influencers and politicians still, and all that kind of stuff as their, as their guide to life, or the religious priest or, you know, pastor, and so forth, but it's strange for sure. But Move on to, or some look to movies in Hollywood and actors, which is a good segue into this Hollywood strike. Hollywood has disappeared and I had forgotten all about it until you mentioned it earlier In our conversations, that there's a Strike going on and I forgot.
Speaker 2:I knew there was strike, but I forgot about it well, because you know, one thing is that the producers and the production companies are relying on is the wealth of the sort of chest of Content they already have out there. Do you remember we've talked about this before it back in the day, 80s, even early 90s, but I would say most of the 90s, you'd be lucky you they didn't have whole series, every season of every episode of your favorite TV series accessible. They didn't have it. If you didn't show up on Thursday night Eight o'clock to watch Roseanne, you didn't see it unless you recorded it on video. But you know nowadays you whoo-hoo, netflix, all that you have at the touch of a remote, and that they're relying on that old content to pacify people and to hold out on these writers and these actors.
Speaker 2:It's funny because the Amis Decided you know, normally they they present the awards in September I believe August was September which the Amis are for the TV shows and they give awards out to those. They've moved it to January. So that tells me the producers and these production companies are Telling these award shows Okay, we're gonna wait a while. I mean, that's six months, that's a long time. You know the actors and all these fuckers. I could, I could just imagine these people up for these awards. They're like are you fucking kidding me? This is my moment. You know it's a big deal for them, not to mention the fact that no one's acting. They're not producing new content, so that's also driving anxiety into these actors. How come there aren't these actors who are like what do you call those people who Fill in the spots for people who are on protest or on strike? What do you call them?
Speaker 1:scabs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, is that what they call when the? Hours yeah.
Speaker 2:Pardon me things too, like in 1970s, the greatest era of film known to man. You know you had Marlon Brando putting a stick of butter and an actress's asshole rape, basically raping her. You know you had this sort of Renegade Film crews. You didn't have this huge unionized production company or or workforce which is basically a bureaucratic Workforce. You know what I mean. You had these individual art.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying what Marlon Brando did was right or whatever, it's fucked up, but that's the extreme level. You also had people like I don't know, martin Scorsese making bringing out his crew you know of friends to go make a movie and there wasn't all this fucking baggage that they had to do these, this bureaucratic bullshit. They can and they made great works of art. You know. It just makes me think, like nowadays, with these unions and with the production companies, it's just it's not gonna produce and with the, the way they think about audiences, they're not gonna put something In these movie theaters because no one's going to these movie theaters that deals with. That's like something like Mulholland Drive. Do you remember that movie? Are you there? You listening? Hello, what do you go? So when I talk to you like make a bunch for no.
Speaker 1:I've got, I've got a bunch of, I've got a bunch of. Got a bunch of fucking tabs open and I fucking can't I get lost and where the you know the penopton is, I was like reading the tiger, as you were talking, by William Blake. But you know, what I want to isn't that like kind of a movie about Behind the scenes Hollywood?
Speaker 2:It's like a night version of Hollywood. Where people go with these play, you know these bleary eyed dreams of success and happiness, and it oftentimes, for many of them, ends up in a nightmare. And he does that stylistically.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I heard it.
Speaker 2:That's one movie I would watch, and perhaps we should in the future during our Hollywood series but don't you think, like the 1970s, when a movie crew of just like, let's say, friends Win out and one of those friends was Jack Nicholson, like, or Martin Scorsese, or these greats, right, these great artists? They don't, they're not tied down by the bureaucratic, political, neoliberal Nightmare that it is. Now I mean, and this leads me to Well, what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1:just before I get into this other shit, Well, I think what it sounds like is that was when the arts are free, for better or worse, good or bad, when the arts were Weren't were truly allowed, or at least more so allowed, to be creative and the artists Were allowed to, or probably had, more power Then then they have, before or after, maybe at that, the highlight of, you know, the apex of Hollywood perhaps, but it sounds like they were able to get away with a lot compared to now, where now they're their voices like it's stifled, because well, they don't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think the regime and people in control.
Speaker 1:They don't want artists anymore, because artists are, I think, naturally inclined to be free with their own opinions. Artists, I think one thing that drives them it's it's their own Work, their own creativity, and there so they're naturally anti authority.
Speaker 2:Well yeah back to what we're talking about rebellion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, first rebellious artists yeah, typically it's rebellious. Exactly, and they're typically anti regime. They've been so. That tells you how, in my opinion, how much the regime has Expanded throughout the years and how much power they they've. They've been able to co-opt art and in this case Hollywood for sure, and so I Mean you can argue having during during World War two, hollywood was on board with the regime doing everything it could.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, full on board.
Speaker 1:I'm hoping the rest of them.
Speaker 2:And you know what it's fucked up too is like the Hayes code, which was the censorship code.
Speaker 2:Hollywood in the 1920s had this, you know, series of scandalous events.
Speaker 2:The Production companies, which were about six, you know, you could list them MGM and all the rest they were scared that those scandals would Drive off audiences from the Middle of America, basically the, the little towns, you know, which was the most of America, who have a certain value system, right.
Speaker 2:And so they put a squash on it in In 1934 with the Hayes code, which was saying you can't do this, you can't do that, you can't do this, you can't that, which I think was one of the biggest Violations against the American people in the 20th century, because it kept us from Seeing what we are on on screen, which is a way to you, for you, to reflect, you know, like, for example, you couldn't talk about sex, you couldn't show sex, you couldn't talk about homosexuality, black people, you know all this stuff. You couldn't reflect what you really are as a nation, and so it infantile is you, or it just keeps you arrested in terms of development and Anyways. So that's a power thing, you know. And then they and I feel they knew World War two was coming well in advance. So they're want to get these people in check, get the American public people behaving how you want conformity, you know uniformity, and and how am I relating to this what we're talking about? I can't remember.
Speaker 1:Well, artists being rebels, vice, not being rebels.
Speaker 2:You know, you're talking about the oh yeah 1960s and 70s, then once the old Hollywood started falling apart in the Vietnam War and all these you know social movements, then you could actually reflect what the public is Like, you know yeah. Now what effect that had on us, I don't know. I mean, was that, where are we better for it, possibly? I want to hit on.
Speaker 1:I want to hit on something. You said respect to the Hayes Act, and it started in like the 30s name. You think they knew that war was coming. I think I agree. I think this might be the case for us now, because when you're prepping yourself for a existential war I'm not talking about war in Iraq or anything like that I'm talking about you're about to go head-to-head with China or Russia or both, where, if you lose, it could be the end end of America.
Speaker 1:Well, the first thing you have to do is you've got to control the populace. One of the first things you have to do is control the populace. You cannot afford any rebellion or fracture, and Abraham Lincoln did it in the Civil War as well. They suspended habeas corpus Because any fractures within can cause a collapse before you even start, and certainly once you start a war, or once the war started, then it could, it could collapse, and though one of the first thing the enemy is gonna do is try to split, split your people domestically, for with various reasons or with various means, and so One of my theories is the war.
Speaker 1:You know the China war theory is, and it started with COVID is why, why this flip all of a sudden and it's all. It's tied into Trump a little bit too. But why all this authoritarian, this authoritarian streak? And one of my views is that they're prepping for war with China, and COVID was an opportunity, maybe a deliberate opportunity, maybe not to start exercising these it's reach of power to control its populace, because it's happening in Australia, it's happening in in the West I or Ireland and fucking England and everywhere.
Speaker 1:China is already there with respect to individual rights, so that and there's no room for creativity, artistry or anything like that, because, again, everyone needs on board, to be on board, whether they like it or not. And and so this is a question I keep asked like what does the elite know that? I don't know. I'm sure there's a, they know a lot, but there is seems to be no fracture in the lead right now. And that leads me to one conclusion no fracture. Why is there heading into we're heading into war and Again, whether you guys are, whether the politicians agree or disagree on like domestic issues and the small things, when comes to war, you have to stay together.
Speaker 2:And now there was something you said. I can't remember what it was, fuck. So you, you feel it's certain that we're headed not Not certain that.
Speaker 1:So there's the one or two theories. I have a one I already described, that's the elite capture theory, where these series of existential crises are preparing us for basically tyranny, and China leading the way, and basically our elite have been bought off and they're hand, they're deliberately Destroying America or downgrading America For a reason. We're going to ward new corain to suck up all our resources on purpose so we can hand over to China a basically a shell of what America used to be.
Speaker 2:My other New year collapse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, an engineered collapse, and my other theory is just the opposite. So I'm kind of hedging my bets here. I guess is that there's a significant amount of the elite who aren't Captured by China and are ready to go to war with them, but they need to control. They need to start controlling their own people, purging anyone within the political circles or regime that aren't on board, things of that nature. Regardless, it's not gonna end up well for us as the people either way. But when once you mentioned that I think they were prepping for war and they had to kind of lock down these, these creators, these natural usurpers of authority, it reminds me of what they're doing now. They've basically replaced artists, in my opinion, with spokespersons. You have the night shows. They used to be comedies and entertainment but are now just regime mouthpieces that come out and Speak regime Talk. They're not.
Speaker 2:It's not even well, and they're not even in War but you know, it made me think about the communist Redscare. It's similar, very similar, could it? We're living through like a new 1950s. If you say one thing that goes counter to the narrative, you're fucked. You could be fired, you're done, you know. And these night show hosts are exhibiting that same type of behavior of Speaking the party line. I mean, they used to be a reverent right, supposedly. What was the guy we used to watch?
Speaker 1:He has a power steering. Well him of David Letterman.
Speaker 2:David Letterman. Yeah, he used to be the irreverent guy before the mainstream. Yeah, or they are satirized is Jimmy Fallon or whoever the fuck. Who's total fucking mouthpiece. Now they're politically active. You got John Stewart out. There are costing people who are politically Whatever they are. You know everyone's got to be a fucking revolutionary, you. But.
Speaker 1:The funny thing is they're not. They are actually. Regime is yeah, whether they know it or not. This is where you know the regime does well and is convincing. What we used to consider artists that they're actually still rebels but in fact they're speaking on the behalf of the regime and this is a brilliant stroke is the regime broke and started embracing Marginalized talking points, most more so like the LGBTQ and all that trans and stuff is by the regime putting on that cloak. These artists, or these quote-unquote spokesperson, think they're speaking on behalf of the people. In fact, they're Speaking on behalf of the regime. Mm-hmm, it is a co-opt of authentic, I believe, and you could speak more to this authentic marginalized grievances by the regime and turned it into regime Grievances, and the regime became the victim, not the gay man anymore. It's like well, now it's the regime and whatever the regime Decides is on top of the the hierarchy which now, it seems, is the trans movement.
Speaker 2:Well, it's a definite human resourcing of the American public, and what I've mean by that is everyone's supposed to. It's a corporate Culture now. Everyone's supposed to be this sort of Automaton not automaton like a zombie, almost Speaking the corporate line and being well behaved people and not having disagreements and not. You know, it's this cult mentality that's going on now and I think it's like a corporate thing. Do you? Do you agree with that or where do you find fault with that?
Speaker 1:I think it's more. I think it's, I think it's more of a regime thing and the corporate thing. I think there's been like we've talked about this in the past, I think there's been a merge between the capitalist and the communists, and I think this is the new, the new American super state.
Speaker 2:This is again and I think it's international or super national. I just want to mention something real quick the AMC theaters, which are the number one I want to you know, theater companies that show these movies of Hollywood throughout the country. They have been bought up by the Wanda company. Wanda, Do you know what they are? Well, since you're not there, I will say the Wanda, no no, no, I'm just messing with you now.
Speaker 1:No, is that some black thing?
Speaker 2:No, it's a Chinese company. The Wanda group is a Chinese multinational conglomerate founded in Dalian Lai Ning, headquartered in Beijing. It's a private property developer and owner of Wanda Cinemas and the Hoyts Group. We've got a China company owning the main distributor of films from American Hollywood, and so, you see, the films now are, by very, I would say, logic, are going to be the ones that are being not only that, not only do they own the distributors, or the distributors or the cinemas, but they're also a huge part China is a huge part of the production companies in terms of money, contributions to the movies that are being made, and so that has a whole host of problems.
Speaker 2:And so you've got movies that are horseshit, let's just say it. You've got the Avengers. You've got all these movies that are for kids, essentially, that show nothing relevant to, for the most part, to our lives. You've got movies that definitely don't show China in a negative light. So this movie called Nomadland, which I had mentioned before, which was based on a book by I forgot her name, but it shows Amazon in a negative light, criticizes Amazon, which many of Amazon's manufacturing companies that produce the shit that they sell are made in China or are from China. So in no way are they going to allow that to happen in a Hollywood movie.
Speaker 2:So they they agreed to fund the movie as long as they excise that stuff and take that shit out, the negative commentary on this stuff. So they did that and it won Best Picture. So I don't know, I just like to throw that out there because culturally there's a shift, obviously, but I mean I'm talking about the economics and the mechanics of it. The bureaucratic nature of it is very much changing from America based to super national or even Chinese based. What do you feel about this Barbieheimer summer that we've lived through?
Speaker 1:I think this again. I think this is all. I don't think any of it is authentic. I'll put it that way. I think this is great marketing for both movies. They come out at the same time.
Speaker 2:Barbie's made over $1 billion yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, I. I don't know why anyone would want to see it, but I think it's a clash. I mean you need that kind of tension. Which one's better, which one's more. I think this is a brilliant marketing campaign by whoever's making money off of this. Like, how do we hear, like you said? I mean, there's a writing strike, so maybe these are one of the few movies left that they have to offer. So they have to gin up as much publicity as possible. And you know, you, you, you question why people don't strive for knowledge or wisdom in this, with all the access. My question is why do people go to things like the Barbie Oppenheimer? I could maybe understand a little bit, but, barbie, are we living in a world with a bunch of children, adult children and I understand there were some themes, or suppose you know patriarchy and all that kind of crap, but you know it's just like. Why are grown as adults going to this? Have?
Speaker 2:you seen it? Well, I think what it is part of it is like they want to be part of it. You know they want to. Oh, I saw Barbie too, also I saw. I saw Oppenheimer also. Yeah, it wasn't a, it wasn't a fascinating movie. And then when they did that and with that, and it was just stunning, you know they want to be part of it. It's a FOMO, or whatever you call it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe that's part of like the yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like a fear of missing out on the, on the, because we live based on the advertisement, like what's important is told to us and everybody talks about it in your social circles. So I want to see Barbie too, because I want to go to the cocktail party or the hangout and be able to say what a shitty movie it was, what a great movie, what I thought about it, you know and it's a distraction.
Speaker 1:I think it's a positive for the regime where we're talking about Barbie and Oppenheimer and not once again on the real issues that affect us.
Speaker 2:No, definitely definitely, and these theories that are so engaging on television, like succession and all these other ones. You spend hours just locked to the screen doing nothing, and it's attention grabbing. The phone alone, I mean also your phone, is just distracting you constantly and you're not really necessarily maybe paying attention to what matters. It's great, it's a great shackling of the public.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we've, we go right into it, fall right into it for the most part. And so I guess, when I asked, where did all the philosophers go? It sounds like they're all watching Barbie. I mean, that's where the potential philosophers are, you know well. Do you want to hear?
Speaker 2:from two young philosophers. Should we? Is this the stage in which we incorporate the youth of America?
Speaker 1:What are you going to ask them?
Speaker 2:What did they value? That's what I want to ask them, and I want honesty.
Speaker 1:All right, well, we'll see what I need support.
Speaker 2:I need support from my fellow podcaster.
Speaker 1:They must remain anonymous, okay.
Speaker 2:Get over here, podcasters. Here's our first youth of America.
Speaker 1:We want to get her perspective. We will conclude this podcast because I got to run. I've got to go become Superman with the voice of modernity and youth. Go ahead. What do you value as a youth? Truthfully, I value myself. Okay.
Speaker 2:Um. Who are you? Well, first my name is no I know Give a fake name. Like my name is.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:Yeah, my name is Wanda and I'm the future of America.
Speaker 2:And when you say yourself, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 4:I mean I. When I say I value myself, I mean that I just it sounds selfish, but and conceded. But I just think about myself like, well, I'll do what makes me happy, what I think I want to do, even if that's not what other people want. And I also value money. That's why I work a lot, because to me, I like to have money. That's it.
Speaker 2:Okay, number two. I'd love if you're in doing camera. Well, no, he's not recording. What was the question, hello?
Speaker 1:What do you value as a youth?
Speaker 2:Put your mouth to the microphone.
Speaker 1:What is your alias? What is your name, your alias? My name is Dwight. Dwight, oh, dwight Okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I value like, since we're like our bodies are still young, like we can do a lot of things that older people can't More we can get yeah, really just get to do anything that we want. More risky things, I guess yeah, More fun stuff, I value that. And Chipotle no, I'm actually possessing Again Chipotle and that's pretty much it Just. Yeah, just being able to experience riskier things, I guess I don't know, that's it Okay.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you, dwight, thank you Okay.
Speaker 2:Any commentary on what you've learned from the youth?
Speaker 1:No, I mean it's on par with with the youth of today. But also how the culture shaped individuality, especially with Wanda. It goes back to what we were talking about back in, back in the day, even before our time culture and the necessity of community, specifically your family. It was about your family and others that came first, because that's what was necessary. That was the, that was the life that again predating us it was all about.
Speaker 1:It was generally an agricultural society, agricultural world, where you were left out there by yourself with your family, and so you needed all the, you needed your entire family to support the family, to live, to survive, and any, any outcasts of individual individual people jeopardize the survival of that individual because you couldn't survive by yourself, jeopardize the individual and the family as a whole. Well, today we live in a society that doesn't necessarily require that. So it's natural progression not only of the youth but of of adulthood, of individual success. People are much more or less likely inclined to have to get buried, to have kids and so forth, cause they don't need them anymore, that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1:Let me finish. Doesn't make sense or necessarily mean you're going to be happier as an individual. Who knows? Go ahead.
Speaker 2:So it's almost like you can see the trajectory from extended family, nuclear family, individual throughout the 20, 21st.
Speaker 1:The individual is. The question I think is is that regression or progression? And so and again. I'm going to say transition, okay. Well, transition from from what to to what.
Speaker 2:From stasis to chaos, or you know next what's next? Yeah. We don't know. You know we tend to doom and gloom everything. Maybe there's something in store for the individual. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think. I think there is something in store. I think it's probably misery, but you never know.
Speaker 2:Misery's existed many, many times before, for many people.
Speaker 1:It has. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't mean so again, it's. It's when I'm asking pro, you know, transition or progressive versus regression. As far as survival, I don't think you can survive this role by yourself. Happiness may be different, so maybe I've phrased it wrong. Misery, I don't know that. You could be miserable with a core family. You could be miserable individual survival, on the other hand, I think, is in line with misery. If you're struggling to survive, more than likely you're miserable. Now there are some cases, maybe a lot, that wake up every day happy and positive, regardless of their situation. As far as Dwight's kind of risk taking, that goes in line with being youth you take, you take more risks, larger risks, I think, as a youthful person as opposed to an adult.
Speaker 2:Hard to make. That ties in. I think that ties in. She heard what I was saying about young people.
Speaker 1:Yeah. When I was cause I was but that youthful, that very same thing, yeah, so you're saying that Dwight is.
Speaker 2:She said she didn't hear that, dwight says she didn't hear or they didn't hear that. But yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I mean, I think, I mean, but that's common, youthful people take more risk, I think.
Speaker 2:Abandoned Without you know. Youthful abandon they don't really.
Speaker 1:They don't really consider the outcome because they don't have a wealth of experience to consider, to use as as a, you know, as an anchor, definitely. So that that can be good, that can be bad, could be both.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's good parts about that. Cause they're willing to do what? Like an innocent, like the fool? You know, the fool is willing to do something that the wise ones not willing to do, cause the wise man knows probably I can work, but the fool will take that daring step, going to that treacherous territory, and succeed maybe, or find new discoveries.
Speaker 1:Right, Well, I mean, I think there's a spectrum there. You've got recklessness, and then on one side, then on the other side, you have brave, you're brave, and then somewhere in the middle you're courage, courageous, or something like that.
Speaker 1:You know it's you know, Aristotle says it's fine in that, that middle ground, cause you can be reckless abandon without thinking of risk, and that's just, that's stupid, not good. Or you could be a coward, which is on the other side, where you don't do anything, which is not good either. So you have something in the middle which people call brave or courageous or what have you.
Speaker 2:Well, like Orson Wells right, he was the guy who did Citizen Kane, which is considered by many the best film, the greatest film ever. He says the reason why he did so well with that movie is cause he didn't know any better. So all those techniques that he did, all those things he wanted done cinematically that had never been done before, he didn't know that that was like something you shouldn't do. So he just did it, thinking you could do it or why not do it. No one was there to tell him he's wrong or he's not a proper artist or this or that. He just did it with a sort of foolish innocence and he created a great movie.
Speaker 2:So I think there's. I think I think, like artists need a foolish side to them, if that makes sense, they need a innocent side, or they, or you know it can work that way Like you can create a great work of art or something great Young people can do. That, I mean, it's maybe depends on the medium. You know, can a young person really create a great work of philosophy? I don't know, Probably not. But a great movie be a great director, great performance yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:All right, anything else.
Speaker 2:Anything else? Do I Wanda? Wanda says no, Do I Anything else? Last leading comments or anything. Dwight says they are good. So we've accomplished something today. We've actually done our podcast after two months. We went against the rule of Adam Curry and no agenda saying you have to be consistent. Well, I mean Wanda says laziness.
Speaker 1:Or just don't quit. I think as long as we don't quit, eventually consistency will come. So but Adam Curry also had, you know, some a following before he got into podcasting.
Speaker 2:Well, and his you know uncle was in the CIA and he mentions that frequently.
Speaker 1:But Adam Curry, like that's important, but he was also on MTV, right? So I mean he had some followership there initially. I love when he talks that.
Speaker 2:Dutch, maybe talk that Dutch.
Speaker 1:We're still. We're you and I are still trying to build an audience game, gain some fame. So we're going for quality over quantity, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I still think consistency matters. I'm going to go by the wisdom that I've learned from the the greats be consistent. Well, and we failed.
Speaker 1:I failed. Well, depends on how you defined consistent, what frequency? You know what if our consistency is once every six weeks?
Speaker 2:Ain't nobody gonna listen. Nobody's listening now, but that's okay. But you know, you know, stay tried and true. You know, give it a go, keep it going, keep it pushing. At the very least we'll learn something for ourselves. Like you said, what is wisdom in the search for knowledge about? Is it for other people, is it to reach people, blah, blah, blah, or is it really about you searching? So this fame you seek, is there Correct, really what you want, or is it the wisdom that you need that you're?
Speaker 1:trying to find or the money, or fame and money.
Speaker 2:So you value money, I value like an old power.
Speaker 1:Um, all right. So we talked about being artists. I have to go and become a martial artist. I'm trying to do my artistry artistry of boxing, artistry of kickboxing and artistry of jujitsu.
Speaker 2:I bet you look good. You look skinny, you're svelte, am I right, or?
Speaker 1:wrong. I'm getting there. Wanda says wrong. I'm losing weight, but now I have to build strength. So I'm going to get into weights here, the art of weightlifting just to build some strength, because I am weak right now. You're a weak man, do you know? Do you know what physical fitness is? When's the last time you've actually breathed hard?
Speaker 2:I went for a walk two days ago and I breathed hard. I was pumping out some O2 and some CO2. Like it was, I was listening to a podcast.
Speaker 1:I was going, you know when's the last time you've lifted anything heavy?
Speaker 2:I lifted my laundry, which fucked my backup, so that's the wrong thing, and I'm not including yourself. Oh, you're playing for Wanda and Dwight, are you?
Speaker 1:My third question is when's the last time you sweat?
Speaker 2:This morning because it was hot as fuck. This AC don't work.
Speaker 1:Working overtime. Well, you guys are fast too much. So, let's let any last closing words for our audience.
Speaker 2:I beat all these bitches at soccer. No, you didn't. I, but you guys sit three times more. What's it called ETA or whatever it's called? Fifa. Fifa, kick they ass. But you know what Wanda always wants to be Paris. That's cheating.
Speaker 1:Alright, you are done and I am. You won this. Until next time.
